This is the new WINDEV forum on www.wxforum.info which is a successor to the WINDEV forum http://27130.foren.mysnip.de/index.php?27130 (2008 - 2018) while this one was a successor to the WINDEV forum on parsimony from 2000 - 2008 ** 18 years of successful mutual support of users of WINDEV, WEBDEV and WINDEV Mobile products ** https://www.wxforum.info/list.php?27131 Thu, 18 Jun 2026 19:39:04 +0200 Phorum 5.2.23 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799224,799399#msg-799399 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799224,799399#msg-799399 @Master WinDev Forum Thu, 18 Jun 2026 15:54:41 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799397,799397#msg-799397 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799397,799397#msg-799397
[www.winfall.fr]]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Thu, 18 Jun 2026 08:23:24 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799395,799396#msg-799396 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799395,799396#msg-799396
in the forseeable future (some years?) we will use our dongle versions of Wx 2024. No new purchases planned. We plan to make an export program to xml files for our projects as a first step out of the current environment. After that we probably we either will use or make a GUI designer for Flutter / Dart which is able to import the GUI information from the xml file. After that we'll think about translating the WLanguage code to Dart language.]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Thu, 18 Jun 2026 07:38:46 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799395,799395#msg-799395 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799395,799395#msg-799395 dmontaine WinDev Forum Thu, 18 Jun 2026 05:58:25 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799394,799394#msg-799394 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799394,799394#msg-799394 dbvl WinDev Forum Wed, 17 Jun 2026 18:28:03 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799388,799393#msg-799393 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799388,799393#msg-799393 Jojo K WinDev Forum Wed, 17 Jun 2026 08:17:01 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799388,799392#msg-799392 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799388,799392#msg-799392 dmontaine WinDev Forum Wed, 17 Jun 2026 05:48:50 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799391#msg-799391 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799391#msg-799391 dmontaine WinDev Forum Wed, 17 Jun 2026 05:46:11 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799390#msg-799390 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799390#msg-799390
"Question My customer has not used the application for 2 months. Will the application still be usable when he returns?
Answer If the session associated with the user is not used for more than 30 days, it is automatically released. When the customer returns, a new session will be allocated to him/her."

This seems to imply that a session applies to our customers.

[help.windev.com]]]> Mike James WinDev Forum Tue, 16 Jun 2026 23:51:06 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799388,799389#msg-799389 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799388,799389#msg-799389 Jojo K WinDev Forum Tue, 16 Jun 2026 14:22:41 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799388,799388#msg-799388 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799388,799388#msg-799388 Jojo K WinDev Forum Tue, 16 Jun 2026 14:21:04 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799386#msg-799386 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799386#msg-799386
https://pcsoft.fr/fr-fr/offers

Bronze level: Micro-enterprise

• WINDEV Suite - 1 Dev
• Certification
• 5 sessions included €1,190

Additional developer* €1,190

Note: no security key at this level

Silver level: Small business

Very small businesses/very small businesses

• WINDEV Suite - 1 Dev
• LST (Letter from Technical Support)
• LTS (Long Term Support)
• Security key
• 10 Sessions included - €4,690

Additional developer: €4,390
So apparently each developer you add is 1 development package +10 sessions.

Gold Level: SMEs/SMIs

• WINDEV Suite - 1 Dev
• LST (Letter from Technical Support)
• LTS (Long Term Support)
• PCSCloud “Test Platform”
• 6-Hour Direct Assistance
• PS Consulting 1 day
• Security key
• 25 Sessions included €7,390

Additional developer - €4,890


As you can see, sessions are separate from developers. Developers cost 1,190 euros each, extra session is 290 Euros each

From the PCSoft website - definition of a session:

https://pcsoft.fr/fr-fr/sessions

Translation of what a session is:

Session: technical details
• application (executable, service, DotNet assembly) on 1 machine (physical or virtual) for 1 user account (in the system/OS sense) and 1 type of database (HFSQL, Oracle, SQL Server...)
• Session activated for 30 days (automatic renewal if usage continues)
• Automatic release of unused sessions upon expiration (change of machines, uninstalled applications, etc.)
• Managed by the "Security Center"

Translation of what a Security Center is:

• Linked to a physical machine installed in the client's infrastructure (no external dependency)
• Installing session packs in offline mode
• Windows service or Linux daemon* (currently being validated) with web administration interface
• Centralized management of multiple session packages (for example: 1 SQL Server package and 1 Oracle package can be on the same Security Center)
• Restricting session packs based on the origin of client executable's (linked to client accounts)]]> dmontaine WinDev Forum Tue, 16 Jun 2026 06:49:43 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799385#msg-799385 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799385#msg-799385
I have had a look at the US Facebook forum and the posts in question.

In my opinion, these posts are unconvincing. And I also saw the post regarding the 'advice from PC Soft', and the best that I can conclude is that was also a miscommunication.

I have also had confidential information from PC Soft, and although bound to not say what they said, I can categorically state what they did not say - and that was anything about runtime licenses.

Best Regards,
Derek.]]> DerekM WinDev Forum Tue, 16 Jun 2026 03:34:07 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799384#msg-799384 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799384#msg-799384
Thanks for the link. - very helpful.
I may not get caught up the the coils of Python but purely it does have some appeal.

Regards
Al]]> Al WinDev Forum Sun, 14 Jun 2026 03:38:49 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799383#msg-799383 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799383#msg-799383
the problem with most programming languages is the missing GUI part within the language itself. This is true for C++ and many other programming languages. You have to choose a GUI library with its advantages and disadvantages. There are quite a number of GUI libraries for Python https://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming - I wouldn't feel competent enough to choose any of the listed GUI libraries for Python.]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Sat, 13 Jun 2026 09:10:21 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799382#msg-799382 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799382#msg-799382 Mike James WinDev Forum Fri, 12 Jun 2026 21:35:23 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799381#msg-799381 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799381#msg-799381
I posed some questions to DeepSeek re getting started with Python and amongst the answers was this gem:

And when you're staring at your screen at 2am wondering why something doesn't work - remember, Stack Overflow has 2.4 million Python questions answered. WINDEV has... a forum in French :)

Regards
AL]]> Al WinDev Forum Fri, 12 Jun 2026 17:08:05 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799380#msg-799380 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799380#msg-799380
as you can see, their English web site windev.com hasn't been changed a lot. They "lost" quite a few programmers and other staff, originally, they've had about 100 and now they are down at about 25 people. But searching for (French) programmers. I didn't get a single mail from PC Soft about their changes of strategy and I don't plan to be a clown of the new circus. Still using v2024 and exploring ways to escape. However, we developed have a tool to develop applications on scoriet.dev . It generates an app from a database description using templates. From thereon the developer can use AI or hand coding as one likes.]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Fri, 12 Jun 2026 09:38:31 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799224,799379#msg-799379 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799224,799379#msg-799379
Regards
Steven Sitas]]> SteveSitas WinDev Forum Fri, 12 Jun 2026 09:02:13 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799378#msg-799378 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799378#msg-799378 you are probably right - maybe the runtime is for developers.
I just don't understand why it is so difficult to "state clearly" their thoughts.

Who is running the company now?
The fund that bought them? And don't they have anyone that speaks basic English?

I can't see how their new "model" can be compatible with the new EU "Cyber Resilience Act (ΕΕ 2024/2847)".
This legislation states that companies (including s/w companies) must offer at least 5 years of updates for security issues.

Regards
Steven Sitas]]> SteveSitas WinDev Forum Fri, 12 Jun 2026 09:01:22 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799368,799377#msg-799377 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799368,799377#msg-799377
PCSoft has transitioned to a mandatory subscription-only model and phased out perpetual licenses and physical USB dongles. Individual licenses for WINDEV, WEBDEV, and WINDEV Mobile are no longer sold separately; they are now bundled and licensed exclusively as the unified WINDEV Suite.Core Licensing PoliciesSubscription-Only: Software access requires a recurring subscription. If your subscription lapses, access to the software—and potentially your source code and ability to compile—may be interrupted.Perpetual Usage Rights: While you own the applications you compile and distribute, access to the IDE (Integrated Development Environment) itself is strictly governed by your active subscription status.Cloud & Local Deployment: You can still save projects locally, on internal networks, or via the cloud, but the software must periodically verify your subscription online.Reinstatement Penalties: If you allow your subscription to lapse, returning later requires paying a "starter fee" (often equivalent to a full new license or a higher catch-up cost) rather than just standard renewal rates.Pricing & CostsPricing varies by region, currency (Dollars vs. Euros), and whether you are a first-time buyer or upgrading from an older perpetual license.In the US, pricing generally looks like this:The Full Suite: Approx. $1,239 USD/year for the WINDEV Suite (which includes WINDEV, WEBDEV, and WINDEV Mobile).Starter / Initial Fees: First-time buyers must also pay a one-time initial technical configuration fee that can exceed $1,100–$2,300. Note: PCSoft frequently runs pre-release promotional periods where this starter fee is waived for upgrades.Single Product: If you only need a single tool (e.g., just WINDEV), standalone subscriptions cost approx. $627 USD/year (subject to first-time starter fees).Note: Prices are subject to change, are generally listed exclusive of taxes, and may fluctuate depending on currency exchange rates.If you need an exact quote or want to verify if you qualify for upgrade discounts from a previous perpetual/dongle license, you can reach out directly to your local PCSoft distributor (such as wxPerts / WinDev US).

To calculate your costs for the new PCSoft licensing model, you must evaluate three distinct factors: the software subscription fee, the initial setup configuration fee, and the number of developers requiring seats.Cost Elements to IdentifyInitial Fee (One-Time Payment): This covers the setup and digital infrastructure required to initiate your subscription.Subscription Fee (Recurring Cost): The ongoing annual or monthly expense required to keep the IDE and development tools functional.Existing Licenses (Discounts): Trading in an older physical USB dongle or a version 24/25 license typically yields a substantial discount or waives the initial setup fee. www.wxforum.info +4Option A: Calculating Costs for New CustomersIf you are a new developer or an organization buying a license from scratch, you must factor in both the initial configuration fee and the base recurring rate. Product / Package Choice One-Time Initial FeeAnnual Subscription FeeTotal Year 1 CostSingle Product Only (WINDEV or WEBDEV or Mobile)$1,182 USD$627 USD$1,809 USDThe Full WINDEV Suite (All 3 Integrated Products)$2,354 USD$1,239 USD$3,593 USDThe Formula:Total Cost for Year 1=(Initial Fee+Annual Fee)×Number of Developers (Seats)Total Cost for Year 1 equals open paren Initial Fee plus Annual Fee close paren cross Number of Developers (Seats)Total Cost for Year 1=(Initial Fee+Annual Fee)×Number of Developers (Seats)Total Cost for Future Years=Annual Fee×Number of Developers (Seats)Total Cost for Future Years equals Annual Fee cross Number of Developers (Seats)Total Cost for Future Years=Annual Fee×Number of Developers (Seats)Option B: Calculating Costs for Existing Dongle Owners (Upgrades)If you already own an older physical dongle or a perpetual version of a PCSoft product, the calculation is structured to incentivize switching over to SaaS: windev.com +1Initial Fee Discount: Migrating an active dongle to the subscription service generally waives the one-time initial fee (saving you up to $2,354 per suite license).The Formula:Total Cost (Any Year)=Annual Subscription Fee×Number of Migrated LicensesTotal Cost (Any Year) equals Annual Subscription Fee cross Number of Migrated LicensesTotal Cost (Any Year)=Annual Subscription Fee×Number of Migrated LicensesResulting Suite Expense: Approx. $1,239 USD per developer/year right from the start. Critical Cost Considerations to Watch ForThe Lapse Penalty: If you pause your subscription and try to renew it down the road, PCSoft views you as a "new customer." You will be forced to repay the full one-time Initial Fee ($1,182 to $2,354) to reactivate your environment. wxBlog +1Regional Variations & Taxes: Prices are uniformly billed as Net/Excluding Taxes (HT). Exchange rates between Euros (€) and US Dollars ($) cause day-to-day fluctuations in your exact invoice total. Reddit·r/developpeurs +1Commitment Term: PCSoft offers fixed 1-year and 3-year upfront prepay plans. Canceling a plan prior to renewal typically mandates a 3-month formal notice period. www.wxforum.info 

The WINDEV Suite licensing policy uses an automated, 30-day, token-based system managed by the Security Center, where a single seat is strictly defined by a specific combination of one application, one machine, one OS user account, and one database type. This "technical session" approach enables automatic license reclamation for unused sessions while supporting virtualized environments and centralized compliance. Read the full details in the PC SOFT - Online documentation]]> dmontaine WinDev Forum Fri, 12 Jun 2026 04:50:14 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799376#msg-799376 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799376#msg-799376 Mike James WinDev Forum Fri, 12 Jun 2026 00:39:23 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799368,799375#msg-799375 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799368,799375#msg-799375
I agree with you that much benefit is found in working with open systems and widely adopted programming languages. However I don't share your view about WX not working with / leveraging the benefits AI can bring to development. WX2026 works very well with AI coding assistants. The shortcoming at the moment is that AI isn't wired up to their WYSIWG screen / report design. However I wouldn't be surprised to see that in WX2027.

Having said all that, I'm moving my large projects to something else as they end their natural life cycle.

Regarding PCSoft treating their customers poorly, I agree that communication has been poor, however I'm a little confused with the talk about runtime fees as that doesn't gel with their offering of the security key option. I remember seeing a post on here somewhere where someone offered the perspective that their new licensing has got confused in translation, and a 'seat' means a developer seat, not an end user. That seems more inline with their security key offer.

Rgds
Paul]]> pauly139 WinDev Forum Fri, 12 Jun 2026 00:26:42 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799224,799374#msg-799374 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799224,799374#msg-799374
Regards,

-Marc]]> M Beaven WinDev Forum Thu, 11 Jun 2026 17:41:14 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799373#msg-799373 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799373#msg-799373
there is an opensource version without the drag&drop designer which you can use on your own computer. This is a free solution and does not need an enterprise subscription. But i haven't tested it myself, i am in the hobby plan while developing.]]> Markus K. WinDev Forum Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:26:06 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799372#msg-799372 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799372#msg-799372
I did look at it earlier but having been burnt with Windev, I was a bit wary about using paid tools running on the tool supplier web infrastructure.
Their documentation is not really clear and states that an Anvil app runs the server-side code on their own servers but it also states that an Anvil app can be exported to an open source Anvil Web Server but developing on your own hardware is only possible with the Enterprise subscription.

I think I will see how far I get just using straight python, youtube and open source packages.

Regards
Al]]> Al WinDev Forum Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:25:38 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799371#msg-799371 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799371#msg-799371
as i mentioned some time ago in another thread: have a look at anvil.works. it is using python for programming webapps.]]> Markus K. WinDev Forum Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:47:09 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799370#msg-799370 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799303,799370#msg-799370
Python as a base language is used by nearly 20% of programmers around the world so it more than meets the criteria for having a large pool of programmers available and any product developed in it should be marketable. It has inbuilt debugging and unit testing. The PyPi Python packages web site has over 800,000 projects. It is even supported by Microsoft. It is also the base language for many of the AI's so integrating an AI for code assistance should be simple.

I have no idea how to even start using python, but the same applies to Flutter and Dart and all the other alternatives to Windev. If I have to learn everything from scratch then Python as the biggest player on the block seems like a good place to start with a huge amount of resources I can call on when I get stuck.

Regards
Al]]> Al WinDev Forum Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:23:07 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799369#msg-799369 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799344,799369#msg-799369
This is not to keep track of customers, but a way to deliver resources, security etc. - for your deployed web application(s). This is quite separate from the Security Center which is to track the Developer access to and essentially allow more connections than "seats". In it's basic and simple example - you can have 1 licence - but use that licence from more than one location.

Nowhere is there a runtime licence.

The strange thing is - no one from PC Soft has posted to this forum to correct this. They used to sync posts from this forum with some of their own forums.]]> DerekM WinDev Forum Thu, 11 Jun 2026 13:10:07 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799368,799368#msg-799368 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799368,799368#msg-799368
Here are a few thoughts on WX and the recent developments surrounding PC Soft.

- Anyone who has been closely following the evolution of AI (vibe coding, AI-assisted development, etc.) has probably realized that legacy development tools such as WinDev are approaching the end of their lifecycle.
- As a result, PC Soft (or its successors) had to do something. There is no long-term future for a development platform without a credible AI strategy.
- Today, AI largely means open ecosystems, widely adopted programming languages, and strong integration with platforms such as GitHub.
- Much of what we have built with WX over the years is now considered legacy. In my view, there is little justification for starting entirely new software projects in WX today.
- Could PC Soft realistically integrate WX into this new AI-driven environment? I have serious doubts.
- Our biggest challenge now is maintaining our existing legacy applications. It seems obvious that PC Soft's new policy is primarily focused on that market. I doubt they genuinely expect many new applications to be developed in WX going forward.
- By trying to extract the last possible revenue from its existing customer base, PC Soft's strategy appears more like an act of desperation than a long-term vision.

Even if PC Soft actually had a solid strategy for WX and AI, after treating its customers and partners in such an unacceptable manner, it has severely damaged the trust and goodwill it spent years building.

Regards
Steven Sitas]]> SteveSitas WinDev Forum Thu, 11 Jun 2026 12:50:07 +0200