[url=https://youtu.be/PFq4nB2ulqo?si=reinSwy1a3Np77oL]WD Key[/url] https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799132#msg-799132 Wed, 20 May 2026 13:00:53 +0200 Phorum 5.2.23 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799253#msg-799253 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799253#msg-799253 gpredl WinDev Forum Sun, 03 May 2026 09:27:45 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799252#msg-799252 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799252#msg-799252 I have activated the security key options in my account on the PC SOFT website.
They expect the software to update the actual dongle key by the end of June. I hope it will be as they say.

The advantage of the SaaS system for me is that I can normally use the PC SOFT tools on any computer. As for the older versions, I had some projects in Windev 24 and I just did an Uninstall of the old ones and installed the SaaS version of Windev 24 and everything works ok with the same subscription, as the dongle used to work with the older versions.

Regards !]]> IsmirB WinDev Forum Sun, 03 May 2026 09:17:35 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799245#msg-799245 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799245#msg-799245
dongle Info]]> cabinetman WinDev Forum Thu, 30 Apr 2026 02:50:17 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799241#msg-799241 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799241#msg-799241
Dear Customer,

To support your development and provide you with solutions adapted to your needs, we are updating our commercial offering.

Until now, our solutions have been offered as individual software tool subscriptions. We are now introducing comprehensive, coherent suites and services tailored to the needs of your organization.

These suites and services provide you with greater value, performance, and simplicity.

This new commercial offering will come into effect from July 31, 2026.

No change will be made to your current subscription term without your agreement.

Therefore:

If the anniversary date for the renewal of your subscription falls before July 31, 2026, your current terms and conditions will remain unchanged until your next anniversary date, unless you wish to change sooner.

Once your subscription expires, you will automatically switch to the new offerings.

If you would like to benefit from these offerings sooner, you may switch immediately and benefit from attractive commercial advantages by contacting our teams directly.

Also, we remind you that you may terminate your subscription free of charge up to two (2) months prior to its expiry date.

Our intent remains unchanged: to support you over the long term with innovative solutions that are increasingly powerful and tailored to your needs.

For any questions, you may contact us via our website [www.pcsoft.fr] or your usual sales contact.

Yours sincerely,]]> StefanKern WinDev Forum Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:56:50 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799240#msg-799240 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799240#msg-799240
It would be interesting to use your PC firewall to block outbound and inbound communications from PCSoft just to see if any problems arise.
I do not know which programs phone home in the SaaS Version 2026 but in V25 both Windev64.exe and Windev64Local.exe make outbound calls to [wx-launch.windev.com] every time Windev starts up.

My distrust of PCSoft and the annoying "Your Software is too old" message every day led me to block them not long after they introduced the SaaS version.

The Fort firewall runs just like the old Zone Alarm software and checks everything.
[github.com]

Regards
Al]]> Al WinDev Forum Wed, 29 Apr 2026 00:16:06 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799239#msg-799239 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799239#msg-799239 cabinetman WinDev Forum Tue, 28 Apr 2026 15:06:41 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799236#msg-799236 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799236#msg-799236
thank you for your posting!

Just a short question: do you own the security key (= hardware) already???]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Mon, 27 Apr 2026 16:51:19 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799235#msg-799235 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799235#msg-799235 I have switched to SaaS version 2026, upgrade 3 for now. I have also activated the "Security key" option, which allows me to work indefinitely with the version I last paid for and upgraded the "Security key".
So, if I stop paying now, I will be able to work with my version until doomsday, because it allows me to work offline with the version I paid for.
This was also explained in an email by those responsible from PC SOFT.
So, I don't have to go online every 14 days to continue working.
Maybe that will dispel doubts about "will my project be captured".
So, it won't. Continue to enjoy PC SOFT products.

Greetings to everyone.]]> IsmirB WinDev Forum Mon, 27 Apr 2026 11:42:01 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799225#msg-799225 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799225#msg-799225 it is now a question of trust and this has been broken.

for me it is time to move on as hard as it may be.]]> ntnati WinDev Forum Fri, 10 Apr 2026 06:30:51 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799223#msg-799223 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799223#msg-799223
Just my opinion - each to his own because each person's situation is different and subject to different risk-cost/benefit analysis.]]> JP WinDev Forum Thu, 09 Apr 2026 11:15:57 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799222#msg-799222 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799222#msg-799222
If the key is perpetual and you stop paying the license does the key continue to work as normal and you can use the latest paid version?

If this is so, why is one at PCSoft mercy?]]> ntnati WinDev Forum Thu, 09 Apr 2026 10:47:19 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799221#msg-799221 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799221#msg-799221 "...does everything go back to the way it was"

3 points; (1) you pay additional (i think 50%) more for the perpetual dongle and on-going subscription fees for WAS, (2) the license is being checked and can presumably be switched off, (3) you cannot revert your "upgraded" dongles back to a state prior to upgrade.]]> JP WinDev Forum Thu, 09 Apr 2026 10:33:03 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799220#msg-799220 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799220#msg-799220
so with this new key, does everything go back to the way it was ie. perpetual license if you have a 'key'.
If the key is a perpetual one, why does the SaaS key checking for a valid license?

Thank for any clarification
Regards
Noel]]> ntnati WinDev Forum Thu, 09 Apr 2026 10:14:48 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799218#msg-799218 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799218#msg-799218
no, translation work is mainly done by DeepL or even an AI now. As long as there are Spanish- and English-speaking users and the translation costs are covered by their payments, I think these versions will remain.]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Mon, 06 Apr 2026 08:49:42 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799217#msg-799217 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799217#msg-799217 dmontaine WinDev Forum Sun, 05 Apr 2026 20:09:54 +0200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799201#msg-799201 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799201#msg-799201
no, the "security key" is available to everybody. Therefore they ask for 50% of the abonnement price for the first dongle and 25% for ensuing years.]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Wed, 25 Mar 2026 08:18:16 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799200#msg-799200 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799200#msg-799200 dmontaine WinDev Forum Wed, 25 Mar 2026 02:50:40 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799190#msg-799190 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799190#msg-799190
as a distributor we did not receive any information or instruction by mail from PC Soft for years. Now it even seems that "English" is not a language they want to support in future. Our 'big' customers left and seemingly started to transfer their applications to other languages / systems or stay with the versions they have. They did not switch to SaaS. Maybe, with the announcement of the "security dongle" (nothing else than the dongles we're using) some of them will come back. I'm in doubt about that. For us, we're staying mostly with the dongle versions 2024 and 2025. A single new project was done in Laravel + Claude.]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Fri, 20 Mar 2026 10:25:11 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799188#msg-799188 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799188#msg-799188
I will never understand the people that focus only on extracting value rather than creating value.

As a niche product you need a community of developers. Having a lower cost basic product encourages developers to try out the solution, build their skills and eventually come to need your more complex products.

Also, it helps to diversify your customer base. A sole developer creates a solution, hires more people, needs more licenses and eventually migrates to the more complete product. As they grow, you grow.

WX attracted a particular group of developers who had gravitated to a commercial product (rather than open source) that did not tax the developer's customers, and who allowed developers to skip upgrading until new features were needed. WX was different, unlike all the competing products that locked in developers and their customers with yearly licensing fees. To try to change that long term informal contract is a recipe for a slow death.

I am guessing the new owners look at WX and conclude; legacy product, weird marketing history, niche player. Solution: extract as much money as possible from existing large customers rather than innovate, cut back on overhead costs and slowly watch the product become static. I bet all of us have seen this happen too many times in our industry. In 10 years all that will be left are some large, long term customers who have become like COBOL users are now, too invested and too afraid of migration.]]> dmontaine WinDev Forum Fri, 20 Mar 2026 05:36:25 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799182#msg-799182 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799182#msg-799182 The new regime is all business with no regard to anyone outside France and certainly no regard for small developers.

Your dream is their nightmare.

Regards
Al]]> Al WinDev Forum Thu, 19 Mar 2026 03:54:42 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799181#msg-799181 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799181#msg-799181
If this is true, then you would not be paying just your subscription but also another 50% to assure current autonomy. Seems like just another way to extract additional revenue.

I wonder what percentage of their users they lost that caused them to come up with this "compromise". My guess is that a large percentage of their developers were one-person independents and that they lost a very large percentage of them. I know they have never seemed concerned about these one-person shops, especially the English using international users.

I have dreams of a world where PCSoft really cared about their small customers and had created a version without the enterprise features. Imagine a WinDev/WebDev combo that only had access to HFSQL, did not support other programming languages, etc. A light version with only the solid core features for the one-person micro business that caters to smaller companies with less than 25 users who need custom Windows/Web software.]]> dmontaine WinDev Forum Thu, 19 Mar 2026 03:42:52 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799164#msg-799164 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799164#msg-799164
Great post, agree with you. We are also very probably (99% sure) just going to stick with 2025 non-subs version. So much trust lost.]]> JP WinDev Forum Fri, 06 Mar 2026 09:30:10 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799162#msg-799162 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799162#msg-799162
You wouldn't believe it, it's about 25 years now that we are distributors of PC Soft, but up to today we haven't received a single e-Mail or letter that informs us about price changes, new products, a policy or something like that. We are kept like champignons - always in the dark! If we want to know something, we have to ask.

As a software supplier for Philips Data Systems we made a universal ERP program for them. In order to sell that software I had to treat more that 120 dealers with information, free courses and on-site personal support. This way, far more than 1000 pieces of that ERP software could be sold.]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Fri, 06 Mar 2026 08:52:41 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799161#msg-799161 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799161#msg-799161
However - I did pick up a cultural note from one of the French comments - and explained by AI.

The real reference: “Sûr et certain” by Tonton David

The line you quoted:
“…et je suis sûr, sûr qu’on nous prend pour des cons, j’en suis certain !”

comes from Tonton David’s 1991 song “Sûr et certain”.
It’s a reggae‑raggamuffin track where he denounces:
- political hypocrisy
- social injustice
- authorities treating ordinary people like fools
The key refrain is:
“Et je suis sûr, sûr qu’on nous prend pour des cons, j’en suis certain.”
(“And I’m sure, sure they take us for idiots, I’m certain of it.”)

This line became a meme‑level cultural reference in France.
People quote it whenever:
- an institution behaves opaquely
- a company hides information
- a system makes no sense
- a vendor treats users like they won’t notice
So when someone in the WinDev/WebDev/PC Soft ecosystem says:
“Ça me rappelle Tonton David…”

they mean:
“This situation feels exactly like that lyric — PC Soft is treating us like idiots.”]]> DerekM WinDev Forum Fri, 06 Mar 2026 01:28:37 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799159#msg-799159 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799159#msg-799159
I think that few people today would trust installing anything from PC Soft on their “golden” dongles.

For most of desktop projects (e.g., ERP systems, data exchange, file system manipulation, crud on databases, windows services, api calls, comunication with physical devices, etc), a WD20 IDE is enough, as it does almost everything you need. Most of the native features introduced in later versions can be replicated with a few lines of code that queue up functions ever since available.
Even for graphical interfaces.. many features, templates, skins provided by new versions can be easily replicated with combinations of existing controls. Even better if you have a WD25 or recent WD2024/2025, which seem to be among the most stable dongle versions after WD20.

In my opinion, freelancers and small businesses have quite no reason to switch to subscription model if they develop mainly on desktop.
Of course, you will miss out on AI developments, but for the moment I don't think this is such a serious shortcoming if you have built your own framework to do the things you need, even developing workarounds to overcome all the unresolved PC Soft bugs.
With recent dongle WDs you can also develop stable and powerful web services to manage internal functionalities for individual company installations and for this purpose a 10-connections WAS is generally sufficient.
So working with desktop IDE is indeed wonderful, especially for people that lack experience in other languages, technologies and tools.
In short, it is not a universal rule but honestly in my business from WD25 "I can't do it in Windev" has never happened to me. It's so true that I have never considered upgrading even when subscription didn't exist yet, if not out of curiosity..

The real problem arises on Webdev, where between WAS (if you publish sites, 10 connections are certainly not enough) and the need to stay always aligned with web evolution, the only choices are: either bow your head and subscribe or quickly plan to give up PC Soft.
I never did web development but all my colleagues/partners that used webdev said it has never been up to par with other widespread technologies and tools (python,node,php,etc). So people could avoid or flee from Webdev for other reasons than subscription, it seems not to be a "must have" tool like windev desktop. On WB I stop talking here because I don't know it very well.

On mobile the situation is similar to Webdev, although perhaps less critical. If you make apps that go on stores aimed at the public, you have to align yourself or change tool, both for the app and for the web service, if windev, on the server side. However, if they are internal apps for individual customers, a WM25 still is more than enough. It does practically everything you need, and you can often rely on a WAS 10 connection if you run them using local data or if server access for data read is lightning fast. At worst, you can install 2 or 3 on various machine.. Ugly idea but it works.

Personally, I'm following everything with interest and curiosity, but I think that with my dongles I will happily reach retirement age and leave the problem to posterity :)]]> GSWD WinDev Forum Thu, 05 Mar 2026 07:29:15 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799158#msg-799158 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799158#msg-799158
This is an attempt to get hold of our existing "use forever for free" dongles and convert them to "pay forever" dongles.

Once that happens it's game over and they can do whatever they want and charge whatever they want.

Al]]> Al WinDev Forum Wed, 04 Mar 2026 09:36:30 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799157#msg-799157 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799157#msg-799157 JP WinDev Forum Wed, 04 Mar 2026 09:20:24 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799156#msg-799156 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799156#msg-799156 www.youtube.com] - Don't forge to read the 26 comments (uses a translator) - 26 comments - all negative,]]> DerekM WinDev Forum Wed, 04 Mar 2026 08:23:06 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799143#msg-799143 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799143#msg-799143
As Al said, "As for them listening to customers, they never seemed to in the past". This move or proposal - not only highlights that they did indeed understand the general user concerns, and the explicit issues of concern regarding on-going access to the source code of deployed applications, but they did not care.

Some AI searches at the time, described PC Soft's approach as "predatory". And the new "WD Key" approach also highlights that it was unnecessary. Yes, you can have ongoing access to you own source code, but first you pay us more upfront. Sounds like the word "predatory" was a very good description.

Regards,
Derek]]> DerekM WinDev Forum Mon, 23 Feb 2026 03:06:11 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799140#msg-799140 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,799132,799140#msg-799140
I switched on the subtitles of the video (this is on YouTube and you can do that) and let it translate from French to English. In essence it says,you can buy a dongle (v26?) in addition to your abonnement. This dongle is 50% in price of your abonnement and is called a security means in case if your internet connection fails, a nuclear war hits your country or something like that. You don't get such a dongle without abonnement.

Ignoring their non-French customers seems to become a standard. You have a good command of French or get lost!]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Fri, 20 Feb 2026 08:57:40 +0100