Hi, It seems PCSOFT no longer have the dongle version. I cannot see any pricing for dongle version on their website. Regards, PETER ZHOU https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798508#msg-798508 Fri, 15 May 2026 00:42:02 +0200 Phorum 5.2.23 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798597#msg-798597 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798597#msg-798597
this is my software And I bought windev just to be able to do this .so this year I did do the upgrade but it not being a business it is quite an amount.]]> Allard WinDev Forum Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:47:02 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798595#msg-798595 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798595#msg-798595 Allard WinDev Forum Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:36:51 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798588#msg-798588 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798588#msg-798588
[www.appsmith.com]

you canhost it yourself. Make webservices with windev and use themin this plaform.You canuse code in this platformas well ( javascript )

you cantest it for free on there server .

seems to be nice]]> Allard WinDev Forum Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:22:23 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798577#msg-798577 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798577#msg-798577
A group is forming to gain more leverage against PC Soft : https://freewlcode.com/en/index.html

Feel free to sign up and show your support!]]> ND WinDev Forum Sun, 16 Mar 2025 22:13:52 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798568#msg-798568 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798568#msg-798568
this is the end for me with WAS. Nobody pays for a couple of websites 25 € / month.

regards Michael]]> Michael Drechsel WinDev Forum Thu, 13 Mar 2025 08:53:21 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798567#msg-798567 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798567#msg-798567
"Does it mean if we dont pay for the native connector or webdev app server subscription, they will stop running ?"

Thats what "subscription" usually means. And subscription prices only ever go up ...]]> JP WinDev Forum Thu, 13 Mar 2025 08:15:31 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798566#msg-798566 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798566#msg-798566
I saw the pricing for native connector and webdev app server.



Does it mean if we dont pay for the native connector or webdev app server subscription, they will stop running ?

Regards,

PETER ZHOU]]> PETER ZHOU WinDev Forum Thu, 13 Mar 2025 07:58:36 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798565#msg-798565 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798565#msg-798565
You can't just now. I tried but our reseller, after consulting pcsoft, said "only saas, no more dongle sale"]]> Giava WinDev Forum Wed, 12 Mar 2025 19:02:42 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798562#msg-798562 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798562#msg-798562
not buy]]> Bertin CARRIERE WinDev Forum Sat, 08 Mar 2025 17:44:04 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798561#msg-798561 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798561#msg-798561 If I may also say a little about this.
It's okay to pay €89 per month for 3 tools, just under one condition.
That SAAS be a version that will be an upgrade of the same version, and not, as before, every year, a new version with the same errors and problems, and even some diseases from very old versions. And then 365 days and poof, let's start from the beginning. Conclusion, if one tool will be subject to maintenance, ok, but if we are going to pay every year for 900+ stupid things that don't work and suffer for one year, and then pay for nice pictures to suffer again, no thanks. As many here have said, there are many other development tools out there, and even totally free ones. Better 1 year of learning than many years of paying for nothing special.

I expect PC SOFT to honor at least this 2025 version and allow us who paid for all this honestly to at least have a functional tool, which at the moment has a lot of bugs and shortcomings and is causing me a lot of problems with end users, because it freezes and the like. After that, all our actions depend on their attitude and the business course they will take. I wish them the best of luck and that they keep at least these honest customers. I am also worried about the very large French language market that they prefer and which is not ready, I am afraid, in any way to follow this.

With respect!]]> IsmirB WinDev Forum Sat, 08 Mar 2025 10:41:35 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798560#msg-798560 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798560#msg-798560
Regards
Mike]]> Mike James WinDev Forum Sat, 08 Mar 2025 03:31:18 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798555#msg-798555 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798555#msg-798555
It would seem that there is only one viable option.
Stay on whatever current dongle version you have while you decide the future course of your business.


The next decision is contemplate your business future.

1.Continue development with your current version until external pressures like Gov legislative requirements, client requests, OS changes etc occur that are unable to be met so you close down or take up the SaaS option at that point. I am semi- retired and surviving quite well using the old V25 Windev & Webdev.

2. Continue development with your current version whilst migrating to a mainstream development environment.

Regards
Al That's AL not AI cause I certainly don't know everything :)]]> Al WinDev Forum Fri, 07 Mar 2025 11:44:12 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798543#msg-798543 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798543#msg-798543 no one except PC Soft can answer. I strongly recommend to send your questions to PC Soft and ask for an answer! Maybe, they did not think it through completely, maybe they thought it through and decided to just go for it? I don't know, I have no answers, sorry.]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Thu, 06 Mar 2025 08:50:42 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798542#msg-798542 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798542#msg-798542
the world of software is in constant flow. E.g. we found out that code signing our software is now possible only using a dongle, starting at 159,- EUR / year the cheapest, equals 13,25 / month. Our certification provider has stopped doing business with code signing just because of that. One can't deliver unsigned software for windows systems anymore.

Our own software is changing with a constant pace as well. Not only our customers are asking for new features, for changing the software according to new rules of their business, the technical terms for our software products are changing too. Who has to pay for that??

Our customers have to pay, of course! No way out, whatever payment model you choose, our work has to be paid by our customers. You can either ask for a one-time-payment for any changes or ask for a service charge per month .. it's up to you!]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Thu, 06 Mar 2025 08:41:16 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798541#msg-798541 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798541#msg-798541
"However, if you stop paying or you can't afford the payments anymore, that means that you don't have a running business anymore."

This is the wrong framing. There are many scenarios where a developer may choose to stop subscribing. Maybe a developer stops paying because they have moved onto other development platforms and it has nothing to do with ability to pay.

The model being implemented, according to what is written in these prior posts, means that if a developer stops subscribing then they cannot get access to their own source code even though they have paid for the product up to that moment in time. Peter Zhou says that trying to revert to the dongle version will result in the dongle being downgraded to version 23 even though the user may have paid in full for version 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 previously.

The model is a retroactive punishment and I have never seen this in the software world. Even anti-virus or firewall software and many other systems I use, if you stop subscribing then the program continues to function but with no further updates - which is fair and understandable. But to prevent the user from being able to access their own source code, and/or to downgrade the already paid-for-in-full service/licenses, is some sort of retroactive punishment, a destruction of a product which has previously already been paid for. If Peter Zhou is correct in this then it is unheard of in this industry to my knowledge.]]> JP WinDev Forum Thu, 06 Mar 2025 08:34:13 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798540#msg-798540 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798540#msg-798540 dmontaine WinDev Forum Thu, 06 Mar 2025 08:16:21 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798539#msg-798539 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798539#msg-798539 Stop paying - stop developing! Till now, PC SOFT didn't and doesn't clarify anything, even to us distributors.

However, if you stop paying or you can't afford the payments anymore, that means that you don't have a running business anymore. Why would you develop anything without a business? Even if you're jobless, I think you could afford the 45,- / month for a WINDEV SaaS. Ok, it's a question: if you stop payments for let's say 6 months and restart after that - will PC SOFT ask for a second registration fee?]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Thu, 06 Mar 2025 07:54:30 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798538#msg-798538 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798538#msg-798538 dmontaine WinDev Forum Thu, 06 Mar 2025 06:35:11 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798537#msg-798537 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798537#msg-798537 Mike James WinDev Forum Thu, 06 Mar 2025 06:23:25 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798536#msg-798536 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798536#msg-798536 -------------------------------------------------------
> Hi all
>
> My concerns about SAAS version are:
> Sovereignty: another country has possession of my
> projects. Who knows what that might bring in the
> future? With the desktop version I have complete
> control.
> Performance: with SAAS I have an 18000km cable
> between me and my development system (in NZ). This
> is a worry. One can expect outages, which by
> definition occurr when least convenient.
> Performance (2): my desktop computer is high-spec,
> and dedicated to my work. Who can guarantee the
> same performance from a server farm filled with
> 10s of 000's of developer systems?
>
> Regards to all

Hi Mike,

For the Sass version, you will still need to install the IDE on your development machine ( just like dongle version ).
It will auto-check when launch for the subscription ( if offline, i believed there's some grace period ).
You will still get to keep your source code on your computer.

The idea of Sass version is to remove the dongle and pay yearly subscription.

Regards,

PETER ZHOU]]> PETER ZHOU WinDev Forum Thu, 06 Mar 2025 06:00:34 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798534#msg-798534 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798534#msg-798534
We are a small 2 man business. We both plan to reduce work and slowly and the business will reduce as we stop taking on new work. I am sure many others are at this stage in life. We have highly specialized customized apps so unable to sell the business on or hire staff. Hence business will eventually just wind down as clients change business needs.

Our situation is that we check the new features each year and upgrade if there is some new feature we want. We have always found things we want so have always upgraded. We will get to the stage when we decide to stop upgrading. We then have the capability to support all clients indefinitely on the same version at no additional cost. There is the risk of version 2025 (30) stopping working and then having to go Saas version or walking away.

With AI likely to revolutionize programming. I love WIndev's AI features. Windev and others may be obsolete soon. Big changes are coming anyway ( eg HarmonyOS from China) With our current dongle we could switch to a new development environment and still maintain current applications.

Having to get revenue by selling upgrades every year has kept WIndev focused on developing the product. With the new Saas focus users are "trapped" into monthly fees and there is no incentive to upgrade the product. I bet the 920 feature set will start dropping dramatically. ( a post above mentioned new owners)

We have been great and loyal fans of Windev over the years and hope they company the best with their decisions.

In conclusion. Version 2025 will be our last purchase of Windev under their new rules so they have lost our annual upgrade revenue.]]> Mark Crichton WinDev Forum Wed, 05 Mar 2025 21:38:57 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798533#msg-798533 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798533#msg-798533
My concerns about SAAS version are:
Sovereignty: another country has possession of my projects. Who knows what that might bring in the future? With the desktop version I have complete control.
Performance: with SAAS I have an 18000km cable between me and my development system (in NZ). This is a worry. One can expect outages, which by definition occurr when least convenient.
Performance (2): my desktop computer is high-spec, and dedicated to my work. Who can guarantee the same performance from a server farm filled with 10s of 000's of developer systems?

Regards to all]]> Mike James WinDev Forum Wed, 05 Mar 2025 19:44:34 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798532#msg-798532 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798532#msg-798532 gpredl WinDev Forum Wed, 05 Mar 2025 18:08:22 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798531#msg-798531 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798531#msg-798531
How does one confirm that they are on the dongle system and not on the SaaS system? Is there some visual clue somewhere, on the About dialog type of thing?

I upgraded my dongles to version 2025 some months ago as you know, but I assume that was the dongle version. Just looking for a way to confirm that I have not somehow been migrated to SaaS.

TIA]]> JP WinDev Forum Wed, 05 Mar 2025 18:03:23 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798530#msg-798530 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798530#msg-798530
no, this is just a sales message and no, they will / can not turn off your dongle version 24.

But, to make things clear, you cannot upgrade your dongle to dongle version 2025, you have to order SaaS and will get the newest / last version available.

Until March 31st, you can upgrade your dongle 24 version to version 2025 SaaS for 540,- Euros / year only! Means, that they don't ask for the "subscription fee" of 699,- Euro! You'd save 699,- Euro!! A dongle upgrade would have been about 900,- EUR. It's your decision whether you want to use SaaS or not.]]> gpredl WinDev Forum Wed, 05 Mar 2025 17:55:28 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798529#msg-798529 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798529#msg-798529
Also to me it came as a shock, the new business rules of PCSoft. I'm using version 24 (not version 2024) and every time I start Windev 24 I get an annoying message, that my version is too old and I should upgrade to 2025. :?

So they can versioncheck and so they have access to my Windev version (my PC) online. When I stop accessing the internet, I do not receive this message anymore.

Does this mean, that they can stop my Windev version online, as they do sending me the message of old software? I only use Windev for a hobby and maintaining some older applications that I made, so upgrading makes no sense to me.

Best regards,

AadG]]> AadG WinDev Forum Wed, 05 Mar 2025 17:38:47 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798528#msg-798528 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798528#msg-798528
I am really shocked to read this! Let me see if I understand you. If I have a fully paid up dongle for 2024 and then switch to SaaS 2025 and then stop the subscription, then my dongle will only work with version 23? That means that something I had already paid for (plus paid for version 24,25, 26, 27, 28, and 2024) have been destroyed and no longer allowed to work? I cant believe this is correct ... ?

Can someone else confirm if this is correct ? (sorry to doubt you Peter but it just seems so outrageous ... or I did not understand properly)]]> JP WinDev Forum Wed, 05 Mar 2025 17:04:44 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798527#msg-798527 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798527#msg-798527
What i understand for current Saas version.

Let's say if i am holding now dongle ver 2024, if i upgrade to Saas version 2025 and stop paying for Sass version 2026.
I cannot revert back to my dongle ver 2024 (which i have paid for) as the dongle is being downgraded to version 23.

PCSOFT should consider to let me hold on to version 2024. Then upgrading to Sass version is not an issue for me.
Instead, they forced downgrade the dongle to version 23, it's of no use for me any longer.

I hope PCSOFT should consider allowing to use the version prior to Sass upgrade. And if i decided to use the newest Saas version, i can pay for it.

Regards,

PETER ZHOU]]> PETER ZHOU WinDev Forum Wed, 05 Mar 2025 16:54:11 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798526#msg-798526 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798526#msg-798526
I have read your responses a couple of times to try and get my head around things.

I think that the problem is that your developing environment e.g. where you physically sit with a computer to code, is not the same as many of us who have more security conscious locations that we physically sit at.

In the grand scheme of things a dongle is not that expensive based on the flexibilty it affords to the developer. Manuals etc DO NOT need publishing / sending out as this is all perfectly well sorted on line. I think your comment on this is a "Red Herring".

This new model puts too much uncertainty in the minds of developers like myself. I refer to bugs not being corrected, new features not being implemented correctly etc. Also, for a developer, changing to an updated version can mean rewrites and extra time added to development time (which small houses don't have). There are times when a team want to keep an existing version because it is too much hassle to change at that particular moment in time.

All in all, I personally will not be going down this track. I would rather buy an extra couple of 2025 dongles and have the certainty.

Kindest Regards,

Mike]]> cardcoder WinDev Forum Wed, 05 Mar 2025 15:52:29 +0100 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798525#msg-798525 https://www.wxforum.info/read.php?27131,798508,798525#msg-798525 If they start to have a constant source of income instead of depending on sales of new versions, they no longer have a logical justification for not correcting existing bugs,stop supporting a version shortly after, for not evolving versions without having to convert all our projects to the new version and carry out full functional tests because there is always something that stops working or starts to work differently.
For each version change, especially in the case of WEBDEV, we always guarantee a testing process that lasts several months and often when we identify a problem they no longer support that version.]]> pao WinDev Forum Wed, 05 Mar 2025 14:54:35 +0100